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My Recent Posts · (07/22/08

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I've been poking around on the internet and found some discussion of a strength coach named Jay Schroeder and some of the training techniques he uses. He gained some noteriety for training Adam Archuleta, the NFL football player, who blew everyone away by his performance in the NFL combine. Since then he's trained several professional athletes. Some of Schroeder's techniques are pretty far out there. One of the main ones is called Iso-Extremes and he has the athlete hold the position for 5 minutes. There is a forum located at http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/index.php and several people there report having experimented with these longer duration isometrics with good results.

Here's a link to a site that has an interview of Schroeder. http://mostshockingsportstraining.com/ Like I said, some of this is pretty far out there.

Has anyone here read much about this guy and his training techniques? As far as I can tell they pretty much go against what just about everyone on this board does, ranging from Fred to Lincoln.

David

My Recent Posts · (07/23/08

Never heard of him. 5 minute isometrics? Ouch.

My Recent Posts · (07/23/08

Schroeder likely ruined Archuleta who I think has been cut - he'll likely will find more new blood like a vampire. As I said on another post on another site, athletes don't credit their strength coaches, they normally point to the heavens.

My Recent Posts · (07/23/08

Well, one thing I think that is deceptive about anything written regarding Schroeder and Archuleta is that they look at his starting numbers as a high school junior and compare it to his NFL combine numbers. A high school junior isn't fully mature and naturally they aren't nearly as big and strong as they will be when they're 22 or 23 years old.

On the other hand, there are several high school track coaches who have experimented with his long duration isometric methods but on a more restrained level (say 3x per week instead of daily) and are reporting excellent increases in vertical jump and speed. Nothing like a controlled experiment of course but interesting none the less.

David

My Recent Posts · (07/23/08

Nothing like the real thing - Specificity

My Recent Posts · (07/23/08

David,

I'm not sure I'm following you on that last remark? Can you clarify?

Thanks,
David

My Recent Posts · (07/23/08

No Dave - true - maturation varies and coaches cleverly forget this #1 Factor.

My Recent Posts · (07/27/08

David,

Schroeder is one of the best strength coaches there is. His "Freak of Training" video is an excellent piece of work. http://www.protectmanagement.com/ssp/freakoftraining

In the video, the various exericses that Schroeder uses are illustrated. This youtube video provide you with some the exercises used in Schroeder's training. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzf4sAcRC-k

My criticism o f the video is that while the exericses are listed, it does not provide one with information on how to implement those movements into one's program.

I interviewed Schroeder in 2002. Our discussion revolved around the use of plyometrics as a means of increasing power. Some the information we discussed can be found in "Plyometric Bench Press Training For More Strength and Power." http://www.strengthcats.com/plyobenchpress.htm

The foundation of Schroder's program is built on eccentric strength. As Schroeder stated, "Before you can exert force you need to be able to absorb it"...a very prolific statement since just about every movement we make involves an eccentric-concentric action.

As an example, when running we constantly alternate between stopping and then propelling ourself forward. Our foot slams into the ground, stopping the downward movement before we can propel ourselves foward.

The greater out eccentric strength, the faster we can stop and transition forward. An excellent piece of work on this is David Kerin's "What is the most direct means to achieve strength gains in the demand of jumping events?" http://www.gillathletics.com/articles/news010203.pdf

Research, listed in the article, shows that the top jumpers had exceptional eccentric strength. This eccentric strength allowed the jumpers to quickly stop and change direction. Thus, transitioning from a horizonal movement (running) to a vertical mvoement (jumping).

Increasing one's eccentric strength to a certain level will allow one to run faster, quickly change direction (agility), and even push more weight up in the squat and bench press (Research by Dr Tom McLaughlin, PhD in Sports Biomechanics).

The connection between the eccentric-concentric action is the "transition phase" or "amortization phase." The "transition phase" or "amortization phase" involves the elastic energy that is stored in the connective tissue.

Schroeder develops the "transition phase" or "amortization phase" with plyometric movement.

Schroeder's concepts are in line with Exercise Sports Physiologist recommention and research in this area.

Kenny Croxdale

My Recent Posts · (07/27/08

Kenny and Others.

Stay Away from Schroderer's garbage. This cat is a wacko. Most of the fitness world may not perceive this wackery, but those real adherents to this board laugh at this garbage Mr' Keny has again posted. You're lost in wrong board. What do you expect? A guy your age should be better informed and capable of pulling the science of SB away from this Freak Training.

BTW why do I need chocolate milk to recover so I can rush a second set? Please don't respond back.

HD

My Recent Posts · (07/28/08

Kenny,

Do you have any DETAILS on his Iso-Extremes?? The only descriptions I can find on the net were pretty vague.

My Recent Posts · (07/28/08

HD3000 wrote:

Kenny and Others.

Stay Away from Schroderer's garbage. This cat is a wacko. Most of the fitness world may not perceive this wackery, but those real adherents to this board laugh at this garbage Mr' Keny has again posted. You're lost in wrong board. What do you expect? A guy your age should be better informed and capable of pulling the science of SB away from this Freak Training.

It's hard to understand something you know nothing about. So, I some sympathy for you dilemma.

SB is a compartment of fitness training. It has its place. It is a tool in a tool box. Different tool are use for different jobs.

Metaphorically speaking, you want to use a crescent wrench to drive a nail in the wall. You can do that but a hammer is a much better tool to use...meaning you believe SB is the universal solution.

And not everyone is lost on the SB board...

BTW why do I need chocolate milk to recover so I can rush a second set?

LOL...there is defintiely more to it than than.

Please don't respond back.

I appreciate your concern. You are a very caring and sensitive individual.

Kenny Croxdale

My Recent Posts · (07/28/08

Shikantaza wrote:
Kenny,

Do you have any DETAILS on his Iso-Extremes?? The only descriptions I can find on the net were pretty vague.

The video touches on it. But doesn't provide anything in the details.

I'd recommend purchasing "Freak of Training" if your really interested in Schroeders methods.

Kenny Croxdale

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dsear2	Anyone here heard of Jay Schroeder?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 528 (07/22/08 12:57:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I've been poking around on the internet and found some discussion of a strength coach named Jay Schroeder and some of the training techniques he uses. He gained some noteriety for training Adam Archuleta, the NFL football player, who blew everyone away by his performance in the NFL combine. Since then he's trained several professional athletes. Some of Schroeder's techniques are pretty far out there. One of the main ones is called Iso-Extremes and he has the athlete hold the position for 5 minutes. There is a forum located at http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/index.php and several people there report having experimented with these longer duration isometrics with good results. Here's a link to a site that has an interview of Schroeder. http://mostshockingsportstraining.com/ Like I said, some of this is pretty far out there. Has anyone here read much about this guy and his training techniques? As far as I can tell they pretty much go against what just about everyone on this board does, ranging from Fred to Lincoln. David
Serious Strength		#1	[-]
Posts: 4329 (07/23/08 04:40:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Never heard of him. 5 minute isometrics? Ouch.
rationalex		#2	[-]
Posts: 250 (07/23/08 08:16:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Schroeder likely ruined Archuleta who I think has been cut - he'll likely will find more new blood like a vampire. As I said on another post on another site, athletes don't credit their strength coaches, they normally point to the heavens.
dsear2		#3	[-]
Posts: 528 (07/23/08 09:08:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well, one thing I think that is deceptive about anything written regarding Schroeder and Archuleta is that they look at his starting numbers as a high school junior and compare it to his NFL combine numbers. A high school junior isn't fully mature and naturally they aren't nearly as big and strong as they will be when they're 22 or 23 years old. On the other hand, there are several high school track coaches who have experimented with his long duration isometric methods but on a more restrained level (say 3x per week instead of daily) and are reporting excellent increases in vertical jump and speed. Nothing like a controlled experiment of course but interesting none the less. David
rationalex		#4	[-]
Posts: 250 (07/23/08 09:39:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Nothing like the real thing - Specificity
dsear2		#5	[-]
Posts: 528 (07/23/08 09:45:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	David, I'm not sure I'm following you on that last remark? Can you clarify? Thanks, David
rationalex		#6	[-]
Posts: 250 (07/23/08 09:48:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No Dave - true - maturation varies and coaches cleverly forget this #1 Factor.
KennyCrox		#7	[-]
Posts: 89 (07/27/08 06:11:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	David, Schroeder is one of the best strength coaches there is. His "Freak of Training" video is an excellent piece of work. http://www.protectmanagement.com/ssp/freakoftraining In the video, the various exericses that Schroeder uses are illustrated. This youtube video provide you with some the exercises used in Schroeder's training. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzf4sAcRC-k My criticism o f the video is that while the exericses are listed, it does not provide one with information on how to implement those movements into one's program. I interviewed Schroeder in 2002. Our discussion revolved around the use of plyometrics as a means of increasing power. Some the information we discussed can be found in "Plyometric Bench Press Training For More Strength and Power." http://www.strengthcats.com/plyobenchpress.htm The foundation of Schroder's program is built on eccentric strength. As Schroeder stated, "Before you can exert force you need to be able to absorb it"...a very prolific statement since just about every movement we make involves an eccentric-concentric action. As an example, when running we constantly alternate between stopping and then propelling ourself forward. Our foot slams into the ground, stopping the downward movement before we can propel ourselves foward. The greater out eccentric strength, the faster we can stop and transition forward. An excellent piece of work on this is David Kerin's "What is the most direct means to achieve strength gains in the demand of jumping events?" http://www.gillathletics.com/articles/news010203.pdf Research, listed in the article, shows that the top jumpers had exceptional eccentric strength. This eccentric strength allowed the jumpers to quickly stop and change direction. Thus, transitioning from a horizonal movement (running) to a vertical mvoement (jumping). Increasing one's eccentric strength to a certain level will allow one to run faster, quickly change direction (agility), and even push more weight up in the squat and bench press (Research by Dr Tom McLaughlin, PhD in Sports Biomechanics). The connection between the eccentric-concentric action is the "transition phase" or "amortization phase." The "transition phase" or "amortization phase" involves the elastic energy that is stored in the connective tissue. Schroeder develops the "transition phase" or "amortization phase" with plyometric movement. Schroeder's concepts are in line with Exercise Sports Physiologist recommention and research in this area. Kenny Croxdale
HD3000	Freak Training	#8	[-]
Posts: 119 (07/27/08 19:49:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Kenny and Others. Stay Away from Schroderer's garbage. This cat is a wacko. Most of the fitness world may not perceive this wackery, but those real adherents to this board laugh at this garbage Mr' Keny has again posted. You're lost in wrong board. What do you expect? A guy your age should be better informed and capable of pulling the science of SB away from this Freak Training. BTW why do I need chocolate milk to recover so I can rush a second set? Please don't respond back. HD
Shikantaza.naturalstrength...		#9	[-]
Posts: 1 (07/28/08 03:43:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Kenny, Do you have any DETAILS on his Iso-Extremes?? The only descriptions I can find on the net were pretty vague.
KennyCrox		#10	[-]
Posts: 89 (07/28/08 05:12:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	HD3000 wrote: Kenny and Others. Stay Away from Schroderer's garbage. This cat is a wacko. Most of the fitness world may not perceive this wackery, but those real adherents to this board laugh at this garbage Mr' Keny has again posted. You're lost in wrong board. What do you expect? A guy your age should be better informed and capable of pulling the science of SB away from this Freak Training. It's hard to understand something you know nothing about. So, I some sympathy for you dilemma. SB is a compartment of fitness training. It has its place. It is a tool in a tool box. Different tool are use for different jobs. Metaphorically speaking, you want to use a crescent wrench to drive a nail in the wall. You can do that but a hammer is a much better tool to use...meaning you believe SB is the universal solution. And not everyone is lost on the SB board... BTW why do I need chocolate milk to recover so I can rush a second set? LOL...there is defintiely more to it than than. Please don't respond back. I appreciate your concern. You are a very caring and sensitive individual. Kenny Croxdale Last Edited By: KennyCrox 07/28/08 05:24:44. Edited 1 times.
KennyCrox		#11	[-]
Posts: 89 (07/28/08 05:20:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Shikantaza wrote: Kenny, Do you have any DETAILS on his Iso-Extremes?? The only descriptions I can find on the net were pretty vague. The video touches on it. But doesn't provide anything in the details. I'd recommend purchasing "Freak of Training" if your really interested in Schroeders methods. Kenny Croxdale

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