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Posts: 1581 (10/09/09 11:45:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : partials, fulls Previously stats, in his usual stalking fashion, noted that I was banned from the stronglifts forum; http://seriousstrength.yuku.com/reply/16761/t/knee-extensions-and-useable-strength.html#reply-16761 One of the reasons for this was that I disagreed with a fellow who argued that a fellow who was strong at fulls would be strong at partials. This is a not uncommon argument amongst HITists - indeed it is one I used in my HIT days, i.e. it was foolish to do partials when one could do full range resistance exercise for full range strength. Ever the experimentalist I have tested out my hypothesis a number of times, most recently below; My buddy Mitch is stronger at fulls than me and lifts 716 lbs in the above lift which is far stronger than the average untrained person would hoist. I lift 1114 lbs which is 398 lbs more than Mitch. Thus Mitch is strong at partials because he is strong at fulls but he is not as strong as if he'd actually trained partials, i.e. fulls do not maximise ones strength in all ranges of motion. By the way... stats have you experienced any gains from your scientific randomised superslow training? Its just that after your many, many posts when Fred asked you for evidence of your lifting expertise you mysteriously went quiet... sumoman.com
Serious Strength		#1	[-]
Posts: 4364 (10/19/09 10:17:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sumo wrote: Previously stats, in his usual stalking fashion, noted that I was banned from the stronglifts forum; http://seriousstrength.yuku.com/reply/16761/t/knee-extensions-and-useable-strength.html#reply-16761 One of the reasons for this was that I disagreed with a fellow who argued that a fellow who was strong at fulls would be strong at partials. This is a not uncommon argument amongst HITists - indeed it is one I used in my HIT days, i.e. it was foolish to do partials when one could do full range resistance exercise for full range strength. Ever the experimentalist I have tested out my hypothesis a number of times, most recently below; My buddy Mitch is stronger at fulls than me and lifts 716 lbs in the above lift which is far stronger than the average untrained person would hoist. I lift 1114 lbs which is 398 lbs more than Mitch. Thus Mitch is strong at partials because he is strong at fulls but he is not as strong as if he'd actually trained partials, i.e. fulls do not maximise ones strength in all ranges of motion. By the way... stats have you experienced any gains from your scientific randomised superslow training? Its just that after your many, many posts when Fred asked you for evidence of your lifting expertise you mysteriously went quiet... Mitch's lift was far easier than yours. He can lift more - much more if he really tried.
Sumo		#2	[-]
Posts: 1581 (10/24/09 11:11:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yes Fred, if only Mitch had tried to put 1.5558659218 times more effort in he would have lifted 1114 lbs - unfortunately on upping the weight to 351 kg no noticeable movement of the weight occurred, Mitch did however go an unhealthy shade of purple. Mitch used 351 kg because I had announced that the heaviest weight lifted by anyone on this lift, apart from, me was 350 kg. His name was Big Alun, Mitch declared that he believed Big Alun to be mythical. sumoman.com
Serious Strength		#3	[-]
Posts: 4364 (10/26/09 08:12:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sumo wrote: Yes Fred, if only Mitch had tried to put 1.5558659218 times more effort in he would have lifted 1114 lbs - unfortunately on upping the weight to 351 kg no noticeable movement of the weight occurred, Mitch did however go an unhealthy shade of purple. Mitch used 351 kg because I had announced that the heaviest weight lifted by anyone on this lift, apart from, me was 350 kg. His name was Big Alun, Mitch declared that he believed Big Alun to be mythical. I put to you that Mitch chose not to make the effort needed to lift the 352. He can do it and more.
Lincoln		#4	[-]
Posts: 2027 (10/26/09 10:36:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	What do you base that on? Fred, I put it to you that you apparently don't do a lot of heavy deadlifting. A deadlift that is only a few kilos below max often looks easy. A failed deadlift often looks remarkably like an easy deadlift, except the bar acts like it's welded to the ground and won't move. "...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." Teddy Roosevelt
Sumo		#5	[-]
Posts: 1581 (10/26/09 10:41:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Fred you can speculate 'til turnips grow out of your head... but on the day as I stood observing him his neck inflated veinily and he went purple. It was also obvious that on lightening the weight for repetitions he would not have lifted any more than he did. If you observe all Mitch's lifts they either start of they don't - he's not a grinder. In that sense he is like Brian Siders in that the lift either looks easy or it doesn't move. sumoman.com
Serious Strength		#6	[-]
Posts: 4364 (11/05/09 14:54:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Lincoln wrote: What do you base that on? Fred, I put it to you that you apparently don't do a lot of heavy deadlifting. A deadlift that is only a few kilos below max often looks easy. A failed deadlift often looks remarkably like an easy deadlift, except the bar acts like it's welded to the ground and won't move. Take a look at Sumos lift of 1000 pounds or whatever it was. It looked as if he was going to have a hernia, a stroke and a blown out lower back on his attempt. It did NOT look easy. Look at some of the other vids Sumo has on his vimeo site. One of his pals took 9.2 seconds to complete a heavy deadlift. I'll video myself grinding out a 1 RM on my overhead press machine for you.
Serious Strength		#7	[-]
Posts: 4364 (11/05/09 14:55:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sumo wrote: Fred you can speculate 'til turnips grow out of your head... but on the day as I stood observing him his neck inflated veinily and he went purple. It was also obvious that on lightening the weight for repetitions he would not have lifted any more than he did. If you observe all Mitch's lifts they either start of they don't - he's not a grinder. In that sense he is like Brian Siders in that the lift either looks easy or it doesn't move. ****My point exactly. I rest my case. He doesn't put the effort in that is required to lift what he is capable of lifting.
Lincoln		#8	[-]
Posts: 2027 (11/05/09 18:02:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Fred, you need to spend more time hanging around people who deadlift. Heck, the world record by Magnuson looked easy and you know by the very definition of "world record" that it wasn't easy. It was not just the best he'd ever done, it was the best anyone had ever done -- one thousand freaking pounds. You're talking out your hat. "...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." Teddy Roosevelt
Sumo		#9	[-]
Posts: 1581 (11/06/09 10:03:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Fred wrote: ****My point exactly. I rest my case. He doesn't put the effort in that is required to lift what he is capable of lifting. Fred, when you say things like that it just makes you look incredibly naive... and frankly a bit daft. Take the following video, Mitch blasts the weight off the floor; Yet he commented to me later, "250 looked easier then it felt, Ha!!" sumoman.com
Lincoln		#10	[-]
Posts: 2027 (11/06/09 15:50:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Andy Bolton making a 1008 lb. deadlift. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5groVHlMkRE Andy Bolton missing a 1011 lb. deadlift. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKlentk2H_o Since the first one looked so easy, he must have missed the second because he chose not to make the effort, right? "...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." Teddy Roosevelt

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